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Verfasser: James Datum: Freitag, den 1. März 2002, um 15:57 Uhr Betrifft: Die Kirche blecht
Wenn der "gute Ruf" der Kirche leidet ... dann springt sie immer wieder mal über ihren Schatten. Wir erinnern uns über den "Zoff in Zion"? Aktion "Sea Trek"? Das finanzielle Fiasko der Mormonen? Wo ein Mormone $2 Millionen Schulden, inkl. $530.000 an den Besitzer der drei norwegischen Schiffe (machte. Die Kirche schlechte Presse in Norwegen kriegte, diese klagen wollten. Den Russen und ihrer Mir stehen noch satte $43.000 zu. Organisator Sadleir ging dann selbst an die Presse. Er hätte sich an die Kirche um Hilfe gewandt, die Kirche "wäre kurz davor gewesen, eine halbe Million Dollar zu geben ... die schlechte Presse in Norwegen hätte jedoch den Handel zum Scheitern gebracht."
Kirchensprecher Dale Bills wußte von nix (wer lügt nun eigentlich?), die "Weigerung der Kirche zu helfen macht Sadleir wütend."
Sadleir selbst: "Die Kirche hat den Nutzen davon, hat aber nichts dazu beigetragen. Sie hatte keine Probleme Millionen dafür auszugeben, um Kindesbelästiger zu verteitigen oder Medaillien Plazas zu bauen, sie helfen uns aber nicht mit etwas so Positivem wie dem Sea Trek."
Mehr Hintergrund dazu hier:
http://www.mormonen.de/forum/nachricht.html?n=5698
Oder im Forumarchiv unter dem Stichwort: Sea Trek.
Nun ist die Kirche plötzlich doch bereit die Kohle auf den Tisch zu legen. Am Donnerstag hat sie die Schulden an die Norweger beglichen, $ 438.000. Läßt Organisator Sadleir nicht vom Haken, verklagt ihn daher um wieder an ihre Kohle zu kommen. Das hat er nun davon ... Die norwegischen Mormonen sind "erleichtert und dankbar." Sadleir kann sich nicht vorstellen, daß die Kirche ihn verklagen würde (wacht er evtl. auch langsam auf über die Gebahren der HLT Corporation?), sagt:
"Würde das geschehen, wären wir sehr enttäuscht." Er würde sich sodann als Opfer fühlen, er glaubt noch, daß die Kirche "eine echtes Wiedergutmachungs Muster demonstriert" (engl. "demonstrating a genuine atonement pattern"). Dies würde eher "ihrer Lehre entsprechen." Ob der das ernst meint?
Wer wohl die Russen bezahlt? Evtl. sollte man sie informieren wie sie zu ihrem Geld kommen. Die richtige Adresse, richtig trommeln und Dampf machen ... Wo ist denn die Telefonnummer der russischen Botschaft ...
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"LDS Church Pays Sea Trek Debt, Joins Lawsuit Against Organizers
Friday, March 1, 2002
The LDS Church on Thursday paid off the debt owed by Sea Trek 2001 to owners of Norwegian antique sailing ships used in the re-enactment of 19th-century European Mormons’ emigration to the United States.BY PEGGY FLETCHER STACK
THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEWorried about negative publicity in Norway, the LDS Church on Thursday paid off a $438,000 debt owed by Sea Trek 2001 to owners of Norwegian antique sailing ships used in the re-enactment of 19th-century European Mormons’ emigration to the United States.
But The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints doesn’t plan to let the defunct, private, nonprofit organization off the hook.
It hopes to recoup those funds by joining a lawsuit against Sea Trek Foundation and its organizers Bill and DeAnn Sadleir of Salt Lake City.
In the summer, hundreds of participants from the United States and Europe participated in the 59-day re-creation, which began with eight sailing ships in Esbjerg, Denmark, and ended with three ships floating into New York City Harbor on Oct. 4.
In every port along the way, Sea Trek put on large parties -- complete with traveling family history exhibits, dockside concerts and fireworks. The sailing flotilla generated media attention throughout Europe.
But when the Sadleirs, who had complete control of the venture’s finances, were unable to pay their bills, Mormons in Norway were stung by a barrage of bad press.
The Tall Sailing Ships Foundation of Norway filed a suit last month in Bergen city court against Sea Trek and the Sadleirs in an attempt to collect more than $500,000 owed.
After numerous discussions between Per Langhelle, who represented the ships, and Espen Lynn Amundsen, the church’s spokesman in Oslo, a deal was struck.
Property Reserve Inc., a nonprofit company that manages some assets for the LDS Church, purchased the ships’ debts and then joined the ships’ owners in the legal action pending against the Sadleirs and Sea Trek.
The arrangement was mutually pleasing to both parties.
"We as [LDS Church] members in Norway are most relieved and grateful," Amundsen said in an e-mail to The Salt Lake Tribune on Thursday. "The church has been blamed for the missing payment in the media, and we are very happy that this now will be put in the right perspective."
Amundsen went on to explain why "the uproar was so loud."
"The tall ships are not only ordinary ships for Norwegians, they are really our crown jewels, symbols of our long traditions at sea," Amundsen said. "They are part of us all."
To the ships’ owners, "this is a day of joy," Langhelle said in a phone conversation from Bergen.
Alluding to the Norwegian medals’ tally in the just-completed Olympics, Langhelle said, "Tomorrow the headlines in our papers will be: ’More Gold Coming to Norway from Salt Lake City.’ "
But the conflict over payment is not over, Langhelle said.
According to the Norwegians, Bill Sadleir has never responded to the lawsuit and, if he does not answer in the next few weeks, probably will face summary judgment.
But Sadleir, who lives in Salt Lake City, says he has heard nothing of the suit.
"We have not received a complaint, a notice or any communication whatsoever from the Bergen City Court or from legal counsel," Sadleir told The Tribune on Thursday. "It’s hard to imagine that Norwegian law would allow for a summary judgment when the supposed defendant hasn’t even been served with a complaint."
Sadleir said he is "deeply grateful" that the LDS Church retired Sea Trek’s debt to the Norwegian ships but had "no first-hand knowledge" the church had joined the suit against the Sea Trek Foundation and its organizers.
"Were that to occur, we would be very disappointed. It would be a latter-day version of the little red hen, where the hen gets sued for baking the bread," he said. "I prefer to believe that the LDS Church, through its action to pay the remaining balance to the ships, is demonstrating a genuine atonement pattern. That would be more consistent with its doctrine."
Sea Trek still owes $306,083 to other European vendors, which Sadleir hopes to repay by raising donations from families who want to put their names or those of their ancestors on bronze monuments erected in various port cities during the re-enactment."
Quelle:
Die Kirche blecht – James, 1.3.02 um 15:57 UhrMormonismus, Glaubensdoktrin, und die moderne Wissenschaft – Mykonos, 17.2.15 um 14:26 UhrReligiöse Kosmologien als Sinnverstärker und Apologetik – Utnapischtim, 16.2.15 um 20:04 Uhr"Psychologie der Religionen" – Mykonos, 16.2.15 um 18:03 UhrU.a. von Religionspsychologie bis zur Archäogenetik... – Utnapischtim, 16.2.15 um 11:46 UhrDu meinst: There’s life in the old dog yet - oder: Totgesagte leben länger – Mykonos, 16.2.15 um 1:58 UhrUnsicherheit? – Utnapischtim, 15.2.15 um 15:35 UhrAgonie...? – Mykonos, 15.2.15 um 14:47 UhrBald ist es soweit: "nächste Tage = 2 Monate"
– Utnapischtim, 15.2.15 um 12:14 UhrAuch von mir: herzlichen Dank – shana, 3.1.15 um 22:12 UhrFacebook und Co – Sappho, 3.1.15 um 20:12 Uhr
