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Hier folgen einige Antworten auf Deine Frage.
Alles was Du schreibst wurde seit Jahren längstens widerlegt.
Es gibt ganze Bücher darüber.
Ich komme hier nicht darum herum was ich im Internet aufgefangen habe zu kopieren.
Wenn es Dir hilft die Wahrheit zu finden soll es recht sein.
Leider braucht alles viel Zeit. Darum gehe ich hier nicht auf alle Antworten ein, nicht weil ich keine Antwort darauf weiss, sondern weil ich noch etwas vom Sonntag haben möchte und, sondern ich mich nicht mehr länger mit dem ganzen Mormonenkram abgeben will. Ich will kein Anti-Mormonen Professor sein. Vieles kann man jedoch mit einer Portion normalem Menschenverstand selbst widerlegen.
Auf alles genau einzugehen braucht viel Platz und Zeit.
Obwohl noch etliches fehlt ist dieser Brief viel zu lange geworden.*********
Deine Fragen:
>>Welche Voraussetzungen müssen erfüllt sein, um einen Bericht wie das Buch Mormon hervorzubringen ?
Gute Frage.
Es muss eine Quelle dafür da sein um so einen Bericht hervorzubringen.
Welches ist sind die Quellen für das Buch Mormon?
Messing Platten und goldene Platten.
Wo sind diese Platten? Antwort, sie sind nicht vorhanden.
Zeugen sollen sie gesehen und in den Händen gehalten haben?
Diese Zeugen sagten aus, die Platten erst nach langem Beten gesehen zu haben.
Ein Zeuge sagte aus, sie "mit den Augen des Glaubens" gesehen zu haben. Also nicht wirklich. Zudem wie wollen sie diese Platten in den Händen gehalten haben.
Wenn sie aus Gold waren so hatten sie mindestens ein Gewicht von 50-120 kg.
Ich will gnädig sein und bei 50 kg bleiben. Hast Du irgendwann 50 kg in den Händen gehalten. Ich bitte Dich dies uns vorzumachen. Hast Du einmal einen Sack mit 50kg Kartoffeln getragen, dann weist Du wovon ich spreche.
Warum erwähnen die Zeugen nichts von diesem grossen Gewicht, als sie es in ihren Händen gehalten haben?
Warum sagt Joseph Smith selbst nichts von diesem Gewicht in seinen verschiedenen Berichten über die Bergung dieser ominösen Goldplatten?Goldene Platten, oder Metallplatten als religiöse Aufzeichnung und als Aufzeichnung der Vorfahren?
Es ist nicht bekannt, dass die Israeliten ihre Aufzeichnungen auf goldene Platten festhielten. Wo steht das? Alles wurde immer in Schriften festgehalten die auf Hölzer aufgerolltWas hielt Joseph anfänglich selbst von seiner Geschichte?
Wie ehrlich und zuverlässig sind die Aussagen von Joseph Smith
Peter Ingersoll:
"Smith sagte mir die ganze Angelegenheit sei ein Schwindel. Er habe kein solches Buch und glaube nicht daran, dass ein solches Buch bestehe. "Aber, sagte er "da ich die verdammten Narren anführen konnte, werde ich das Vergnügen weiter führen.‘" [ Cake, Lu B., Peepstone Joe and the Peck Manuscript, p. 52 Old acquaintance]Aus der Geschichte vom Chenango Kreis, N.Y
Joe Smith, der Gründer des Mormonentums operierte ganz umfangreich in dieser Stadt-[Afton, N.Y.] und in ihrer Nähe, während der frühen Jahre seiner Karriere als ein Prophet,. Der Ruf der Familie war sehr schlecht und Joe wurde als der Schlimmsten von allen angesehen. Irgendwann um 1828, 1829 trat Smith in Afton in Erscheinung und besuchte die Schule im Bezirk Nr. 9. Hier offenbarten er seine übernatürlichen Kräfte durch das Erzählen von Schicksalen oder durch "Zukunftsvorhersagen" Dieses tat er indem er einen Stein in seinen Hut legte, und dann den Hut so über sein Gesicht zog, um das Licht abzuschirmen
] Wyl, Dr. W., Mormon Portraits-Joseph Smith, p. 22. Wife of Orson Pratt [8] Ibid. p. 22 (attributed Mr. W.) [9] Ibid. pp. 13-15.Joseph Capron: "
"Die ganze Familie der Smiths waren notorisch für ihre Trägheit, Blödheit und Unwahrheit bekannt". Joseph behauptete ständig seine Platten zu finden. Mit diesem Schema glaubte er, seine Familie von allen Geldsorgen zu erleichtern. Zu der Zeit gab er mir keine Andeutung darüber, dass das Buch einen religiösen Charakter haben sollte., oder dass es etwas mit Offenbarungen zu tun hatte. Er deklarierte es als eine Spekulation, und sagte zu sein: ", wenn es durchkommt, wird meine Familie auf ein Niveau über dem Gemeinplatz der Menschheit gestellt werden!"[13]
Cake, Lu B., Peepstone Joe and the Peck Manuscript, p. 34. [12] Ibid. p. 35. (Affidavit Palmyra, N.Y., November 29, 1833) [13] Ibid. p. 34.Henry Harris:
"Der Charakter von Joseph Smith für Wahrheit und Wahrhaftigkeit war derart, dass ich ihm unter Eid nicht glauben würde. Ich war einmal auf bei einer Jury in einem Gerichtshof, die Jury konnte seiner Zeugenaussage nicht glauben wahr zu sein.[ .Wyl, Dr. W., Mormon Portraits-Joseph Smith, p. 22. Wife of Orson Pratt [8] Ibid. p. 22 (attributed Mr. W.) [9] Ibid. pp. 13-15. [10] Ibid. p. 20 (Affidavit before Jonathan Lapham, Justice of the Peace)]Lucy Harris
", ob die Mormonische Religion wahr oder falsch ist, überlasse ich der Welt zu beurteilen; der Einfluss auf Martin Harris war derart, dass sie ihn ärgerlicher , unruhiger und ausfallender mir gegenüber machte. Seine ganze Absicht dabei war, Geld daraus zu machen. Ich werde einen Beweis dafür geben. Eines Tages in Peter Harris Haus (Abigail Harris’ Mann), sagte ich ihm, dass er besser die Gesellschaft Smith’s meiden würde, da seine Religion falsch sei. Dazu erwiderte er, ", Wenn du mich machen lässt, könnte ich Geld daraus machen.. Die Mormonen verleugnen diese Tatsachen vergeblich, da dies den meisten seiner ehemaligen Nachbarn wohlbekannt ist."[ Cake, Lu B., Peepstone Joe and the Peck Manuscript, p. 34. [12] Ibid. p. 35. (Affidavit Palmyra, N.Y., November 29, 1833) [13] Ibid. p. 34. ]Die Aufzeichnungen im Buch Mormon sollen in reformiertem Ãgyptisch geschrieben worden sein?
Warum sollen die Juden diese heiligen Aufzeichnungen ausrechnet in Ãgyptisch geschrieben haben, der Sprach ihrer Feinde und warum nicht in ihrer eigenen Sprache.
Warum hat man nicht eine Spur einer altägyptischen Sprache in Amerika gefunden
Sie mit Quellnachweis.Nur nebenbei, die religiösen Gesetze der Juden verlangten und verlangen heute noch, "dass kein Buchstabe" verloren gehen darf. Dies wurde und wird immer noch sehr streng kontrolliert, wenn die Kopie einer neuen Thora angefertigt wird. Wie kann die Thora da gefälscht worden sein?
Die Aufzeichnungen sollen in reformiertem Ãgyptisch geschrieben worden sein?
Martin Harris hat eine Kopie davon Doktor Anton zur Bestätigung gebracht.
Doktor Anton hat nie behauptet, dass es sich um ägyptische Hyroglyphen gehandelt habe. Siehe was Doktor Anton wirklich dazu gesagt hat mit Quellennachweis.
http://ourworld.cs.com/ewe5525202/anthon.htmDiese ominösen "Gold-Platten" sollen mit Hilfe des Urim und Thummim übersetzt worden sein?
Martin Harris einer der drei Zeugen des Buches Mormon hat geschildert wie der Urim und Thummin ausgesehen haben soll, diese Aussage deckt sich jedoch gar nicht mit der Beschreibung des Urim und Thummim im alten Testament.
Wo ist der Urim und Thummim geblieben?
Was ist mit dem Schwert Labans geschehen, das bei den goldenen Platten dabei war?Warum hat Joseph Smith die "goldenen Platten" nicht mit dem Urim und Thummim übersetzt sondern mit seinem Seherstein in seinem Hut?
Siehe Angaben bei
http://www.irr.org/
Klicke auf das Bild des jungen Joseph Smith vor den Platten.
Warum hat niemand die "goldenen Platten" dabei gesehen? Wenn schon, dann waren sie von einem Tuch zugedeckt.Wenn Du bis jetzt noch nicht darauf gekommen bist, dass Joseph Smith ein grosses Schlitzohr war, so studieren einmal die verschiedenen Versionen der Geschichte seiner ersten .Vision.
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Jetzt kommen wir erst zum Inhalt des Buches Mormon.1. >>zw. 23 und 24 Jahren alt
kann ich im Moment nichts darüber sagen weil ich es nicht weiss
2. >>2. keinen SchulabschluÃ, nur drei Jahre Schule
Auf alle Fälle konnte er genügend lesen und sich verschiedenes Wissen anzueignen.
Es gibt etliche Kinder im Alter von fünf, sechs oder sieben Jahren, die bereits lesen können, sie waren noch nicht in der Schule.
3. >>der Bericht ist auf dem jetzigen Wissen aufgebaut, keine Nachforschungen oder Vorbereitungen können gemacht werden
Dies ist nicht wahr. JS standen verschiedene Bücher aus der örtlichen Bibliothek zur Verfügung.
B. H. Roberts Studies of the Book of Mormon, 2nd ed. (Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 1992), 377 pages, paperback, ISBN 1-56085-027-2incredible as it may seem to many Latter-day Saints, Brigham H. Roberts (1857-1933), an LDS General Authority widely considered Mormonism’s greatest apologist and historian, expressed the grave doubt that the Book of Mormon is a translation of ancient scripture. Elder Roberts reached this conclusion after his research uncovered extensive evidence that Joseph Smith borrowed the basic plot and many details from other books. This evidence — long suppressed
because it is considered harmful to the Mormon Church — is presented in detail in three essays by Roberts, now published as Studies of the Book of Mormon (Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 1992).
More than fifty years after his death, Roberts is still well known through his many writings. They include the — Introduction and Notes — to Joseph Smith’s seven volume History of the Church, the six volume A Comprehensive History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Outlines of Ecclesiastical History, and New Witnesses for God (3 vols). However, in 1922 Roberts became aware of troubling evidence that Joseph Smith borrowed much of the plot and other details of the Book of Mormon from other books readily available to him, in particular Josiah Priest’s Wonders of Nature and Providence, and Ethan Smith’s View of the Hebrews. For instance, it is often thought the Book of Mormon claim that the American Indians are descendents of Hebrew immigrants is a novel idea that young Joseph Smith could not have invented. But Roberts discovered from Priest’s book, published in 1824, six years before the first edition of the Book of Mormon (1830), that it was the almost universal opinion of the ministers of New England and the Middle States, that the Indians were the descendants of the Hebrews (Studies, p. 153).
In Ethan Smith’s View of the Hebrews, first published in 1823, seven years before the Book of Mormon (and in a second edition in 1825), Roberts discovered a virtual ground plan for the Book of Mormon. In section two of Studies of the Book of Mormon, entitled, "A Book of Mormon Study," Roberts takes nearly 100 pages to describe the specific parallels between Ethan Smith’s, View of the Hebrews and the Book of Mormon.
Did Ethan Smith’s View of the Hebrews furnish structural material for Joseph Smith’s Book of Mormon? Roberts was forced to admit that the evidence pointed in this direction:
It has been pointed out in these pages that there are many things in the former book that might well have suggested many major things in the other. Not a few things merely, one or two, or half dozen, but many; and it is this fact of many things of similarity and the cumulative force of them that makes them so serious a menace to Joseph Smith’s story of the Book of Mormon’s origin . . . The material in Ethan Smith’s book is of a character and quantity to make a ground plan for the Book of Mormon (Studies, p. 240).
Having established that Joseph Smith had plenty of material from which to get his ideas for the Book of Mormon, Roberts moves to a second key question: Did the young Joseph Smith have enough naturally creative ability to weave together a narrative like the Book of Mormon:
. . . was Joseph Smith possessed of a sufficiently vivid and creative imagination as to produce such a work as the Book of Mormon from such materials as have been indicated in the preceding chapters . . .? That such power of imagination would have to be of a high order is conceded; that Joseph Smith possessed such a gift of mind there can be no question (Studies, p. 243).
One of the things that convinced Roberts of this is the testimony of Joseph’s mother, Lucy Mack Smith. She wrote the following about her son’s creative abilities:
During our evening conversations, Joseph would occasionally give us some of the most amusing recitals that could be imagined. He would describe the ancient inhabitants of this continent, their dress, mode of travelings, and the animals upon which they rode; their cities, their buildings, with every particular; their mode of warfare; and also their religious worship. This he would do with as much ease, seemingly, as if he had spent his whole life among them (Studies, p. 243).
From this testimony it is apparent that Joseph was known by his own family as quite a storyteller. And the significance of this evening storytelling, Roberts points out, is that Joseph was doing all this before he had supposedly received the gold plates from the angel Moroni (Studies, p. 244).
Based on this evidence, Roberts draws the following conclusion:
These evening recitals could come from no other source than the vivid, constructive imagination of Joseph Smith, a remarkable power which attended him through all his life. It was as strong and varied as Shakespeare’s and no more to be accounted for than the English Bard’s (Studies, p. 244).
Statements like these help us understand why LDS church leaders did not want the B. H. Roberts material in circulation. And even today, many people are still unaware of the evidence compiled by this well-known Mormon apologist and historian. Fortunately, this fascinating research is now easily accesible to any who want a fuller understanding of the true origins of the Book of Mormon.
— Joel B. Groat
Notes
1 Roberts was ranked the greatest intellectual in Mormon history in surveys by LDS scholars Leonard Arrington in 1969 and Stan Larson in 1993 — see Leonard J. Arrington, "The Intellectual Tradition of the Latter-day Saints," Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought 4 (Spring 1969), pp. 13-26 and Stan Larson, "Intellectuals in Mormonism: An Update," Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought 26 (Fall 1993), pp. 187-89.
2 Josiah Priest’s Wonders of Nature and Providence was published in New York state, only about twenty miles from where the Smith family resided from about 1815 to 1830, and Ethan Smith’s was published in Poultney, Vermont, only a few miles from Windsor, Vermont where Joseph Smith’s family lived until he was ten years of age. Roberts considered it "probable" that Ethan Smith’s book was "either possessed by Joseph Smith or certainly known by him, for [it] was surely available to him" — Studies of the Book of Mormon, p. 153.
.>>4. es entsteht ein Buch mit 239 Kapitel, 54 über Kriege, 21 über Geschichte, 55 über Prophezeiungen, 71 über Lehre, 17 über Missinare und 21 über die Mission Jesu Christi
4. Joseph Smith verfügte über eine blühende Phantasie. DAS IST DIE EIGENTLICHE QUELLE DES BUCHES MORMON, NEBST DER BIBEL UND DER "SICHT AUF DIE HEBRÃER". Seine Mutter berichtete wie er die ganze Familie über das alte Amerika unterhalten konnte bevor er das Buch Mormon verfasste.
Es wäre wirklich eine heilige Aufzeichnung wenn sie mit den wirklichen Völkern wie sie zur Zeit des Buches Mormonen bestanden haben übereinstimmen würde. . Jedoch stimmen die Geschichten des Buches Mormon nicht im Geringsten mit dem überein, wie die Völkern wie sie damals in Amerika im Zeitraum des Buches Mormon bestanden Wirklichkeit waren.
Ich rate Dir, besuche eine gute Bibliothek in Deiner Nähe und studiere Bücher über die neueren Entdeckungen des alten Amerikas. Ich hoffe damit könnten einigen noch vom Buch Mormon überzeugten Mormonen die Augen aufgehen.
Die Geschichten des Buches Mormon beweisen, dass das Buch Mormon ein Phantasieprodukt der damaligen herrschenden Meinung über die Ureinwohner von Amerika ist .
Diese Meinungen stimmen jedoch gar nicht mit den später gemachten Erforschungen und Ausgrabungen überrein.Menschen können unglaublichsten Geschichten sehr glaubhaft darbringen.
Siehe die Phantasieprodukte. wie beispielsweise Jules Verne die Reise auf den Mond, oder Jules Verne die Reise um die Welt in 40 Tagen, oder der Lügenbaron oder. Karl May mit seinen vielen Indianer- und anderen Geschichten. Karl May war nie in Amerika.
Die Märchen der Gebrüger Grimm und der Märchen von Wilhelm Hauf.
Die Dramen und Erzählungen von Shakespeare von Goethe, von Schiller um nur einige bekannte Schriftsteller zu nennen die alle übrigens eine wunderbare Sprache verwenden nicht zu vergleichen mit dem Buch Mormon welches ein göttliches Buch sein soll.
Der Schreibstil zeigt jedoch, dass Joseph Smith keine überragende Bildung besass.
Die Computerauswertung davon zeigt zugleich, dass nicht alles von seinem Schreibstil abstammt. Er hat eben auch kopiert.Der religiöse Inhalt des Buches Mormon
Welche Prophezeiungen stehen im Buch Mormon über Vorgänge welche zur Zeit von JS noch nicht bestanden? Welche dieser Prophezeiungen haben sich verwirklicht?
Was für Prophezeiungen stehen überhaupt darin?
Die Lehre entspricht grösstenteils den Lehren der Bibel und wurde meist wortwörtlich
der alten King James Bibel entnommen (nicht der neuen korrigierten Version). und teilweise leicht abgewandelt Sie enthält darum noch die Fehler der alten Version.Die Mission Jesu Christi wie sie im Buch Mormon steht hat es in dieser Form in Amerika nie gegeben, sie bildet einen Teil der ganzen Phantasiegeschichte.
>>5. die Geschichte eines alten Land, ein Zeitraum von 600 v.C. bis 421 n.C.
diese Geschichte stimmt nicht, weil es sie nie gegeben hat. und sie gar nicht geben konnte, weil in jenen amerikanischen Gegenden ganz andere Völker mit ganz anderen Kulturen, Religionen, Bräuchen, Nahrungen, Werkzeugen bestanden.
Siehe Berichte über das alte Amerika mit Quellen.
>>6. die Geschichte zwei verschiedener Nationen, von denen keiner je wuÃte, daà sie existierenDiese Zwei Nationen haben nie existiert. Es sind Phantasienationen.
Es hat nie Jarediten, Nephiten noch Lamaniten gegeben7. es beschreibt die Religion, Wirtschaft, Sozialwesen und Politik dieser Nationen
Diese Dinge waren zu jener Zeit ganz anders als im Buch Mormon
5. der Bericht enthält auch die Religion von Jesus Christus und christiliches Leben
>>9. 1000 Jahre Geschichte werden in ca. 80 Tag geschrieben
Verdeckt hinter einem Vorhand diktiert, während er zeitweise in seinen Hut guckte mit seinem Sehersteinm, kein Urim und Thummin.
Einiges kann er aus der Bibel diktiert haben und es dann wider mit einer anderen Geschichte vermengt.
Viele Passagen im Buch Mormon sollen sich mit dieser Geschichte decken, die ich nie gelesen haben. Es gibt jedoch etliche Ex-Mormonen welche diese Geschichte kennen und Dir darüber berichten können.
6. 10. Ist der Bericht geschrieben, werden keine Ãnderungen mehr vorgenommen
Im Buch Mormon wurden nachträglich jedoch sehr viele Ãnderungen vorgenommen.
Einige Ãnderungen im Buch Mormon
Changes to Latter-day Scripture
LDS Leaders Have Made Thousands of Changes
to Mormon Scriptures — Why?
Copyright © 1998 Institute for Religious Research
Many people are unaware that over the years the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon Church) has made thousands of changes to its scriptures. LDS leaders have added and deleted words and tampered with previously published revelations by writing in new material and falsely attributing it to an earlier date. What follows are examples of some of the most significant revisions made to the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. Within this article are links to scanned images of these historical documents from the 1830s.
Changes to the Book of Mormon
According to the Mormon Church’s teaching manual, Gospel Principles, page 53,
Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon into English through the gift and power of God. He said that it is "the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book" (History of the Church, 4:461).
Yet, the book which Joseph Smith declared was "the most correct of any book on earth" (History of the Church, vol. 4, p. 461) has been revised in over 3900 places. Most of these changes were made to correct embarrassing spelling and grammatical errors (this will be examined in more detail later in this article). However, there are numerous other changes which affect the doctrinal teachings of the Book of Mormon.
Changes in Doctrine. Key Passages on Deity in the original 1830 text of the Book of Mormon were changed in the 1837 edition to reflect Joseph Smith’s changing doctrine of Deity. Joseph originally taught that Jesus and the Father were the same person and that God had always been God, but later developed the idea that the Father and Son were separate Gods, each with a tangible body. Smith taught that both God the Father and Jesus had been mortal men. What follows are specific examples from the original 1830 first edition Book of Mormon (which did not have verse divisions) compared with the altered text of recent versions.
Original 1830 Text Current, Altered Text
1 Nephi 3, p. 25* And he said unto me, Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of God, after the manner of the flesh
[View the 1830 Book of Mormon text.]
*The 1830 text did not have verse divisions. 1 Nephi 11:18 And he said unto me, Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God.
1 Nephi 3, p. 25 And the angel said unto me, behold the Lamb of God, even the Eternal Father!
[View the 1830 Book of Mormon text.] 1 Nephi 11:21 And the angel said unto me, behold the Lamb of God, even the Son of the Eternal Father!
1 Nephi 3, p. 26 And I looked and beheld the Lamb of God, that he was taken by the people; yea, the Everlasting God, was judged of the world.
[View the 1830 Book of Mormon text.] 1 Nephi 11:32 And I looked and beheld the Lamb of God, that he was taken by the people; yea, the Son of the Everlasting God, was judged of the world.
1 Nephi 3, p. 32 These last records ... shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Eternal Father and the Savior of the world.
[View the 1830 Book of Mormon text.] 1 Nephi 13:40 These last records ... shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father and the Savior of the world.
Other Changes to the Book of Mormon. A variety of other changes have been made that also alter the meaning of the text.
Original 1830 Text Altered Text
Alma 15, p. 303 yea, I know that he alloteth unto men, yea, decreeth unto them decrees which are unalterable, according to their wills Alma 29:4 yea, I know that he alloteth unto men, yea, decreeth unto them decrees which are unalterable, according to their wills
NOTE: Later editions from at least 1840 to 1980 deleted without explanation these eight words. LDS leaders re-inserted the omitted words into all editions since 1981.
It is possible Joseph Smith deleted this portion of the verse because it conflicted with a revelation he claimed to receive in 1831 found in Doctrine & Covenants 56:4,5 "Wherefore I, the Lord, command and revoke, as it seemeth me good; and all of this upon the heads of the rebellious, saith the Lord. Wherefore, I revoke the commandment which was given unto my servants …"
Mosiah 9, p. 200 … King Benjamin had a gift from God, whereby he could interpret such engravings …
[View the 1830 Book of Mormon text.] Mosiah 21:28 … King Mosiah had a gift from God, whereby he could interpret such engravings …
Ether 1, p. 546 … and for this cause did King Benjamin keep them …
Ether 4:1 … and for this cause did King Mosiah keep them …
NOTE: According to Book of Mormon chronology, King Benjamin was already dead when these events took place. Apparently LDS leaders changed the name to Mosiah to eliminate the mistake.
2 Nephi 8, p. 87 … and the mean man boweth down, and the great man humbleth himself not
2 Nephi 12:9 … and the mean man boweth not down, and the great man humbleth himself not …
1 Nephi 5, p. 52 … O house of Jacob, which are called out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the Lord …
1 Nephi 20:1 … O house of Jacob, which are called out of the waters of Judah, or out of the waters of baptism, which swear by the name of the Lord …
2 Nephi 12, p. 117 … and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and a delightsome people.
2 Nephi 30:6 (1840 edition) … and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white pure and a delightsome people.
(Later editions until 1981) … white and delightsome
(1981 to current edition) pure and delightsome
NOTE: Before 1978 dark-skinned males were not allowed to hold positions of priesthood authority within the Mormon church. Today Mormon scriptures continue to teach that dark skin is a curse from God and a sign of His displeasure (See 1 Nephi 12:23; 2 Nephi 5:21; Alma 3:6). Brigham Young, second president and prophet of the LDS church referred to those with dark skin as being "cursed with a s[k]in of blackness" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 272).
Grammatical, Spelling and Syntactical Changes. As stated earlier, the Mormon church has made many changes to the Book of Mormon in order to correct Joseph’s poor grammar and spelling. This should not have been necessary, however, given the manner in which Joseph is supposed to have produced this book. According to eyewitness testimony, Joseph Smith gave his scribe a word-for-word dictation of what he read off a magical stone that he had placed in his hat. (This seer stone would later be referred to by the Old Testament name of Urim and Thummim.) The fact that Joseph simply dictated the words he read on the stone was supposed to prove that the Book of Mormon came from God and not Joseph. This view was taught by Joseph F. Smith, 6th President of the Mormon church. On Saturday, February 25, 1881, Oliver B. Huntington recorded in his journal:
I went to Provo to a quarterly Stake Conference. Heard Joseph F. Smith describe the manner of translating the Book of Mormon by Joseph Smith the Prophet and Seer, which was as follows as near as I can recollect the substance of his description. Joseph did not render the writing on the gold plates into the English language in his own style of language as many people believe. But every word and every letter was given him by the gift and power of God. So it is the work of God and not of Joseph Smith, and it was done in this way … The Lord caused each word spelled as it is in the book to appear on the stones in short sentences or words, and when Joseph had uttered the sentence or word before him and the scribe had written it properly, that sentence would disappear and another appear. And if there was a word wrongly written or even a letter incorrect the writing on the stone would remain there. (Journal of Oliver B. Huntington, p. 168 of typed copy at the Utah State Historical Society)
For more details on this subject and quotes from the eyewitnesses, see the article, Translation or Clairvoyance. 1
While the following short sampling of changes do not affect the meaning of the text, they do reveal the human origin of the book.
Improper use of "was" in 1830 edition later changed to "were"
"… Adam and Eve, which was our first parents …" [p. 15]
"… the bands which was upon my wrists …" [p. 49]
"… the priests was not to depend …" [p. 193]
"… they was angry with me …" [p. 248]
"… there was no wild beasts …" [p. 460]
Improper use of "is" in the 1830 edition later changed to "are"
"… the words which is expedient …" [p. 67]
"… But great is the promises of the Lord …" [p. 85]
"… And whoredoms is an abomination …" [p. 127]
"… here is our weapons of war …" [p. 346]
Improper use of "a" in the 1830 edition later deleted from text
"… As I was a journeying …" [p. 249]
"… he found Muloki a preaching …" [p. 284]
"… had been a preparing the minds …" [p. 358]
"… Moroni was a coming against them [p. 403]
Improper or slang word usage in 1830 edition deleted, correct words inserted in later editions
"Behold the Scriptures are before you; if ye will arrest them, it shall be to your own destruction." [p. 260] The word "arrest" is now changed to "wrest" [Alma 13:20].
"… they were exceeding fraid …" [pp. 354, 392, 415]. The phrase "exceeding fraid" is now changed to "exceedingly afraid" [Alma 47:2; 58:24; Helaman 4:3].
"… my soul was wrecked with eternal torment …" [p. 214]. The word "wrecked" is now changed to "racked" [Mosiah 27:29].
Changes to the Doctrine & Covenants
The Mormon scripture called the Doctrine and Covenants is a series of revelations which Joseph Smith and other LDS prophets claimed to receive directly from God. The first of these revelations were printed in The Book of Commandments in the year 1833. Since that time many of these revelations have been radically altered, with words and even whole sentences deleted. In other places later doctrinal innovations were written back into earlier revelations to hide the glaring contradictions that would otherwise result. In this way, events that were previously unheard of suddenly become part of the historical record as a revelation from God.
Here are some specific examples representative of thousands of changes:
Original 1833 Book of Commandments Current, Altered Doctrine & Covenants
BC 4:2, p. 10 — and he has a gift to translate the book [of Mormon], and I have commanded him that he shall pretend to no other gift, for I will not grant him no other gift.
[Harmony, Pennsylvania March 1829]
D&C 5:4 — And you have a gift to translate the plates; [and this is the first gift that I bestowed upon you;] and I have commanded that you should pretend to no other gift [until my purpose is fulfilled in this;] for I will grant unto you no other gift [until it is finished].
Note: The changes to this revelation were necessary for Joseph had already claimed the divine ability to do his own translation of the Bible. Later he would claim the gift to translate ancient Egyptian papyri. However, the evidence does not support these as authentic translations
BC 28:6-7, p. 60 Behold this is wisdom in me, wherefore marvel not, for the hour cometh that I will drink of the fruit of the vine with you, on the earth, and with all those whom my Father hath given me out of the world:
Wherefore lift up your hearts and rejoice, and gird up your loins and be faithful until I come: even so. Amen.
[Harmony, Pennsylvania September 4, 1830]
D&C 27:5ff Behold this is wisdom in me, wherefore marvel not, for the hour cometh that I will drink of the fruit of the vine with you, on the earth, and with [Moroni, whom I have sent unto you to reveal the Book of Mormon, containing the fulness of the everlasting gospel…]
[Harmony, Pennsylvania first part August 1830, remainder September 1830]
NOTE: At this point in the revelation over 300 words are added regarding the restoration of the Mormon priesthood by means of divine ordination. By making the account part of a revelation that is dated to 1830, it appears the story has been known since then. However, it is not a part of any revelation until the 1835 edition of the Doctrine & Covenants. Apparently Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery, who were in charge of editing the 1835 D&C, inserted this material so that the concept of the Aaronic and Melchizedek priesthoods being restored and the office of high priest would appear to have been in place from the start and would appear to have been given directly by God. The revelation concludes with over 130 additional words, taken from the Bible copied almost verbatim from Ephesian 6:13-17. No explanation is given for the dating discrepancy.
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BC 44:26, p. 92 If thou lovest me thou shalt serve me and keep all my commandments; and behold, thou shalt consecrate all thy properties, that which thou hast unto me, with a covenant and a deed which can not be broken; and they shall be laid before the bishop of my church, and two of the elders, such as he shall appoint and set apart for that purpose.
[Kirtland, Ohio February 1831]
D&C 42:29-30 If thou lovest me thou shalt serve me and keep all my commandments; and behold, [thou wilt remember the poor, and] thou shalt consecrate [of] all thy properties [for their support] that which thou hast [to impart] unto me [them] with a covenant and a deed which can not be broken. [And inasmuch as ye impart of your substance unto the poor, ye will do it unto me] and they shall be laid before the bishop of my church [and his counselors], two of the elders [or high priests], such as he shall appoint [or has appointed] and set apart for that purpose. (February 1831)
NOTE: By 1835 when the D&C was printed Joseph Smith had given up on the idea of communalism. Therefore this revelation was changed so that Mormons were no longer told by God to consecrate all their properties, but instead the emphasis is shifted to a command to remember the poor and give "of your property". Also, at the time the revelation was originally given there was no office of "counselor" or "high priest" in the Mormon church, so these also had to be added to the revelation retroactively, once again giving the appearance these offices were there from the beginning.
BC 9:1, p. 22 Now, behold I say unto you, that because you delivered up so many writings, which you had power to translate, into the hands of a wicked man, you have lost them, and you also lost your gift at the same time …
[Harmony, Pennsylvania May 1829]
D&C 10:1 9:1 Now, behold I say unto you, that because you delivered up so many [those] writings, which you had power [given unto you] to translate [by the means of the Urim and Thummim], into the hands of a wicked man, you have lost them.
(v.2) And you also lost your gift at the same time, [and your mind became darkened].
NOTE: There is no mention of the Old Testament Urim and Thummim in the Book of Mormon nor is there any connection of the Urim and Thummim to the translation of the Book of Mormon until 1833, which is four years after this revelation was supposedly given.
Another example of a revelation that has undergone hundreds of changes was first blished in The Evening & Morning Star in October 1832. The revelation was said to have been received in November of 1831.
This revelation is now D&C 68 and contains multiple references to the Melchizedek priesthood, high priests and the First Presidency. Once again the attempt is made to write later developments into previously given revelations to make them fit Joseph’s evolving church structure.
Changes in the Pearl of Great Price
As with the Doctrine and Covenants, LDS leaders have altered the revelations contained in the Pearl of Great Price.
Original 1851 Pearl of Great Price Current, Altered Pearl of Great Price
PGP Moses, p. 14 — And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, amd I did eat. And again, the Lord said unto the woman, I will greatly multiply your sorrow, and your conception.
PGP Moses 4:19-22 — And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. And again, [I] the Lord [God] said unto the [serpent: Because thou has done this thou shalt be cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon they belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life; And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, between thy seed and her seed; and he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Unto the] woman, [I the Lord God said],.I will greatly multiply [thy] your sorrow, and [thy] your conception.
PGP Moses, p. 16 — And the Lord said unto Cain, why are you angry? Why is your countenance fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not well, sin lies at the door, and Satan desires to have you; and except you shall hearken unto my commandments, I will deliver you up, and it shall be unto you according to his desire.
[View Pearl of Great Price text.] PGP Moses 5:22-31 — And the Lord said unto Cain, why are you angry [art thou wroth]? Why is your [thy] countenance fallen? If you do [thou doest] well, will you not be [thou shall be] accepted?. And if you [thou] do[est] not well, sin lie[th] at the door, and Satan desire[th] to have you [thee]; and except you [thou] shall hearken unto my commandments, I will deliver you [thee] up, and it shall be unto you [thee] according to his desire. [And thou shalt rule over him; For from this time forth thou shalt be the father of his lies; thou shalt be called Perdition; for thou wast also before the world. For from this time forth thou shalt be ...]
Note: At this point there are an additional 200 words added to this passage including Cain making a pact directly with Satan to be able to kill his brother Abel.
PGP JS History, p. 41 — He called me by name and said unto me, that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me, and that his name was Nephi.
[View Pearl of Great Price text.] PGP JS History, 1:33 — He called me by name and said unto me, that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me, and that his name was Moroni.
Note: All evidence indicates this change was made after the death of Joseph Smith, and cannot be considered a clerical error. Both the handwritten manuscripts for the History of the Church, and the printed history in the Church newspaper Times and Seasons (of which Joseph Smith was editor) give the visiting personage’s name as "Nephi."
Conclusion
The historical record is clear. The Mormon Church has made thousands of changes to its scriptures changes which raise the following questions.
If, as the Mormon Church claims, the original revelations came directly from God, what justifies the tampering documented above?
How can one put faith in an organization like the Mormon Church whose history and doctrines are built on deception, fabrication and deliberate alteration of the very writings they claim are divine scripture?
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1 Later Mormon leaders including General Authority Brigham H. Roberts, expressed a strong desire to abandon the idea that Joseph received the text of the Book of Mormon directly from God. Elder Roberts reasoned that such a view made God responsible for the grammatical and spelling errors and would hinder people from accepting Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon as divinely inspired. Roberts wrote:
That old theory cannot be successfully maintained; that is the Urim and Thummim did the translating, the Prophet, nothing beyond repeating what he saw reflected in that instrument; that God directly or indirectly is responsible for the verbal and grammatical errors of translation. To advance such a theory before intelligent and educated people is to unnecessarily invite ridicule, and make of those who advocate it candidates for contempt. …
It is no use resisting the matter. The old theory must be abandoned. It could only come into existence and remain so long and now be clung to by some so tenaciously because our fathers and our people in the past and now were and are uncritical" (B.H. Roberts, Defense of the Faith, pp. 307, 308 – cited in Mormonism Shadow orReality, Jerald and Sandra Tanner, p. 90). [Return to text of article]
The new theory proposed by Roberts, and still popular today, is that God only gave Joseph the ideas and concepts for the Book of Mormon. These Joseph recorded in his own grammatically poor language and style. With this new theory, LDS leaders justified themselves in making thousands of word changes designed to enhance the quality and credibility of the Book of Mormon. [Return to text of article]
A serious problem with the theory of Joseph receiving only inspired ideas and concepts and then rendering them into his own words after much study and contemplation, is that there is no historical evidence to support it. It is a theory born of necessity in the minds of LDS leaders decades after the fact. Compare this with the word-for-word dictation method which has extensive testimony from those who were closest to Joseph personally and present during the act of dictating the Book of Mormon.
Today the Mormon Church gives potential converts a copy of a corrected and grammatically sanitized Book of Mormon but still points to Joseph Smith’s lack of education as evidence for its divine origin. What is implied is that Joseph could not have produced such a book without divine aid. What they do not say is that Joseph’s poor grammar, so evident in the first edition, is now masked by thousands of changes and corrections made by later LDS leaders. As a result, today we do not have the Book of Mormon as it came from the hand of Joseph Smith, but rather a heavily edited version as it has come through the hands of LDS church leaders. [Return to text of article]
2 Click here for further information on Smith’s failed attempt at translating Egyptian. For details on Joseph’s false revisions to the King James Bible request, Joseph Smith’s Inspired Translation in Light of the Greek New Testament, from Institute for Religious Research, 1340 Monroe Ave. NW, Grand Rapids, MI 49505. [Return to text of article]7. >>Nach Pausen für Essen und Schlafen, liest der Schreiber nie den letzten Absatz nochmal vor
8. und schob einige und alkoholischen Saufpausen dazwischen
Levi Lewis:
"Ich kenne Smith als einen Lügner ,. Sah ihn drei Male zu verschiedenen Zeiten berauscht, während er behauptete das Buch Mormone zu übersetzen ."
] Wyl, Dr. W., Mormon Portraits-Joseph Smith. p. 80. Relatives of Emma Hale Smith [6] Ibid. p. 20. Neighbor>>12. Der Bericht umfaÃt 500 Seiten mit 500 Wörtern pro Seite. Es werden 180 neue Hauptwörter (englisch) hinzugefügt
>>13. Man muà bekannt geben das der Bericht WAHR ist und heilig
>>14. Es erfüllt Bibelprophezeiungen
welche Prophezeiungen welche nicht bereits in der Bibel stehen.
Was für Prophezeiungen für Amerika die stimmen und die zu jenem Zeitpunkt nicht voraussehbar waren?zum Beispiel, dass Jesus in Jerusalem auf die Welt kam und nicht in Nazareth
(diese Stelle habe ich im Gedächnis jedoch noch nicht gefunden. Edgar Werner)..
das die Erde für drei Tage verdunkelt war statt drei Stunden. Helaman 14:27. Und er sagte mir, dies werde geschehen, solange das Donnern und Blitzen und das Unwetter andauerten, und Finsternis werde drei Tage lang den ganzen Erdboden bedecken.
8. KapitelDie Kreuzigung Christi wird durch die vorhergesagten Zeichen bestätigt. - Unwetter und Erdbeben, Wirbelwind und Feuer. - Eine groÃe und schreckliche Zerstörung. - Drei Tage Finsternis.
Helaman 14:20. Aber siehe, da ich schon von einem zweiten Zeichen zu euch gesprochen habe, einem Zeichen seines Todes - siehe, an dem Tag, da er den Tod erleidet, wird sich die Sonne verfinstern und sich weigern, euch ihr Licht zu geben, ebenso auch der Mond und die Sterne; und es wird in diesem Land kein Licht geben, ja, von der Zeit an, da er den Tod erleidet, drei Tage lang - bis zu der Zeit, da er wieder von den Toten aufersteht.
Welche Bibelprophezeiungen meinst Du
>> 17. Tausende müssen bezeugen, daà der Bericht WAHR ist, weil sie der VerheiÃung folgten
oder dabei auch untergingen all ihr Geld verloren krank wurden und starben, beispielsweise beim Treck durch Amerika.9.
>>18. Der Bericht enthält die Beschreibung der Kultur, deren Schrift und Sprache, Typen von Gebäuden, Geographische Beschreibungen, Regierungstypen, Werkzeuge und Materialien und andere Fakten, der restlichen Welt unbekannt
Diese Kulter, deren Schrift und Sprache, Typen und Gebäude, Geographische Beschreibung, Regierungstypen? Wurden leider trotz intensiven Nachforschungen nicht gefunden.
Werkzeuge und Materialien wurden zu jener Zeit ganz andere verwendet.
Die verschiedenen darin erwähnten Metalle gab es zu jener Zeit noch nicht in Amerika.
Siehe unter anderem Indianer Archäologie:
http://www.archaeologie-online.de/links/2/127/index.php
http://www.indianer-welt.de/index.htm
http://www.indianer-welt.de/sued/index.htm>>19. Er enthält keine widersprüchlichen oder unmöglichen Aussagen
O we!! Zur offiziellen Lehre der Mormonen enhält es viele widersprüchliche Aussagen.
Zusammengefasst in:http://ourworld.cs.com/ewe5525202/widerspr.htm
oder evtl.
http://ourworld-top.cs.com/ewe5525202/widerspr.htm20. Viele Fakten besagen, das völlige Gegenteil von dem was die Welt glaubt
Die Fakten sind wirklich das Gegenteil von dem was im Buch Mormon steht.Er hat vieles abgeschrieben und diktiert wie oben bewiesen wurde.
Deine Schreibfehler seien Dir verziehen. Mein Deutsch ist leider auch nicht perfekt
da es eher eine schweizerdeutsche romanische Mischung ist.**************
Hier findest Du weitere Adressen die sich ausführlicher mit diesen Themen befassen, James weiss bestimmt noch etliches mehr darüber.:
http://members.aol.com/peterelias/thetruth.htm Many early texts on Mormonism and
early Mormon publications; also a free on-line magazine (pro-Christian
orientation)
http://www.primenet.com/~heuvelc/mormon.htm Text of many early Mormon
publications, including the 1830 version of the Book of Mormon and the original
Book of Commandments. Curt Van Den Heuvel’s site.
HYPERLINK http://www.irr.org/mit "Mormons In Transition," sponsored by the Insitute for
Religious Research, with many articles; pro-Christian orientation; an on-line
newsgroup, (MIT-Talk) with evangelical basis
http://www.mrm.org The "Mormon Research Ministry," an evangelical Christian
group headed by Bill McKeever; many good articles on Mormonism
http://www.frontiernet.net/~bcmmin/ The "Berean Christian Ministry," headed by
John Farkas; many articles, a useful chronology of church history, and a long
refutation of a Mormon scholar’s attempt to discredit critics of the church.
http://saintsalive.com The "Saints Alive In Jesus" group, an evangelical
Christian group headed by Ed Decker