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Verfasser: SvenB Datum: Mittwoch, den 15. Dezember 2004, um 3:17 Uhr Betrifft: Piercings und weiterer Blödsinn
Unser Gustl:
>>In diesem Zusammenhang würde mich mal interessieren, was du von der Einmischung ’der Kirche’ in so einem persönlichen Bereich wie dem Tragen von Ohrringen hältst´?
>Von so einer Einmischung ist mir nichts bekannt, jedenfalls läuft hier bei uns jede/jeder mit Ohrringen herum, wie es ihr/ihm gefällt.Stell dich doch nicht immer blöder als du bist. Gordon B. hatte im Jahre 2000 nichts besseres in der General-Konferenz (Priestertumsversammlung Oktober 2000) zu tun, als Priestertumsträgern Piercings zu verbieten. Auf der FHV-Konferenz: Mädchen sollten nicht mehr als ein Loch pro Ohr für Ohrringe nutzen.
Daraufhin hat eine Verwandte von mir ihre Piercings auf ein Minimum reduziert, nachdem es in der JD ein riesen Thema war und für eine Menge Aufruhr gesorgt hat.
Warum die HLT Piercings verbietet ist klar: Individualität soll nicht gefördert werden. Wer schon ein Piercing als Gefahr sieht, ist sich seiner Sache nicht sehr sicher...
DAS MUSS MAN SICH MAL GEBEN, SO ETWAS SAGT DER STELLVERTRETER GOTTES AUF ERDEN:
"We--the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve--have taken the position, and I quote, that "the Church discourages tattoos. It also discourages the piercing of the body for other than medical purposes, although it takes no position on the minimal piercing of the ears by women for one pair of earrings."
Generell ist es für die Kirche wichtig, jegliche Individualität im Keim zu ersticken, um die Mitglieder nachher besser lenken zu können. Dies wird insbesondere bei den Punkten (von www.lds.org) weiter unten sehr deutlich. Davon nur ein Punkt:
• Teach them to develop good friendships. Latter-day Saint youth should choose friends who will influence them for good.
Wie wärs stattdessen mal so:
• Teach them to develop good friendships. Latter-day Saint youth should influence their relationships for good.
Aber nein, Jugendliche sollen zuerst einmal davon laufen, wenn es schwierig wird und sich ggf. isolieren - diese Strategie ist sehr, sehr arm.
Quellen:
http://www.latter-day.com/counsel/pierce.htm
I submit that it is an uncomely thing, and yet a common thing, to see young men with ears pierced for earrings, not for one pair only, but for several. They have no respect for their appearance. Do they think it clever or attractive to so adorn themselves? I submit it is not adornment. It is making ugly that which was attractive. Not only are ears pierced, but other parts of the body as well, even the tongue. It is absurd. We--the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve--have taken the position, and I quote, that "the Church discourages tattoos. It also discourages the piercing of the body for other than medical purposes, although it takes no position on the minimal piercing of the ears by women for one pair of earrings." Pres. Gordon B. Hinckley, General Relief Society Conference, September 24, 2000
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/daily/health/tattoos.htm
der link ist übrigens echt witzig, nicht nur wegen des weltbewegenden Themas Piercing:
http://www.i4m.com/think/leaders/Hinckley_lame.htm"I cannot understand why any young man—or young woman, for that matter—would wish to undergo the painful process of disfiguring the skin with various multicolored representations of people, animals, and various symbols... Fathers, caution your sons against having their bodies tattooed. They may resist your talk now, but the time will come when they will thank you. A tattoo is graffiti on the temple of the body."
"I submit that it is an uncomely thing, and yet a common thing, to see young men with ears pierced for earrings, not for one pair only, but for several. They have no respect for their appearance. Do they think it clever or attractive to so adorn themselves? I submit it is not adornment. It is making ugly that which was attractive. Not only are ears pierced, but other parts of the body as well.. It is absurd."
"May I mention earrings and rings placed in other parts of the body. These are not manly. They are not attractive. You young men look better without them... As for the young women, you do not need to drape rings up and down your ears. One modest pair of earrings is sufficient."
- Gordon B. Hinckley, “Your Greatest Challenge, Mother,†Ensign, Nov. 2000, 97 and text of a talk given to youth and young single adults on 12 November 2000 at the Conference Center in Salt Lake City and broadcast by satellite throughout the Church.Ergebnis nach der Suche auf mormon.org (ofizielle Seite der HLT):
Perspectives
Overcoming Today’s Challenges
From the Presiding Bishopric and Young Men General Presidency“Overcoming Today’s Challenges,†Ensign, Feb. 2001, 68
In a fireside address on 12 November 2000, President Gordon B. Hinckley said that the youth of the Church face significant challenges. However, he explained, these challenges are more manageable than those faced by prior generations because today’s challenges largely involve behavioral decisions. Once youth decide to behave appropriately, the challenge is behind them (see “A Prophet’s Counsel and Prayer for Youth,†Ensign, Jan. 2001, 4). Wisely using the divine gift of agency to make correct choices will enable youth to successfully meet the challenges of today’s world.President Hinckley suggested six B’s that can guide youth in overcoming their challenges:
• Be grateful. Youth should walk with gratitude in their hearts. They should thank their parents, friends, and others for help given them and should express gratitude to God in prayer.
• Be smart. Whatever their chosen field, youth should make the sacrifices necessary to obtain the best education available.
• Be clean. Youth are to avoid pornography, taking the name of God in vain, illicit drugs, destructive entertainment, tattoos, body piercing (other than piercing of the ears by women for one pair of earrings), early dating, and every kind of sexual transgression. Youth should choose friends who will be a positive influence on them.
• Be true. Youth should be loyal to the Church and true to their convictions.
• Be humble. Youth who are humble will be guided by the Lord and will receive answers to their prayers.
• Be prayerful. Youth need help from God. They should live so they can speak to Him in good conscience.
Bishops, Young Men presidencies, and other Aaronic Priesthood leaders are encouraged to review and discuss President Hinckley’s counsel with young men in quorum meetings, Sunday evening discussions, and other similar settings and to exemplify his counsel in their own lives. Help the youth recognize the joy that living these guidelines can bring, and acknowledge their efforts to live in accordance with President Hinckley’s counsel.
[photo] Photo by Jed Clark
Encouraging Parents to Teach Their Children
From the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles“Encouraging Parents to Teach Their Children,†Ensign, Feb. 2001, 68
In his message to fathers at the priesthood session of general conference on 7 October 2000, President Gordon B. Hinckley said that nothing will have so profound an impact on a father’s happiness as the way his children turn out (see “ ‘Great Shall Be the Peace of Thy Children,’ †Ensign, Nov. 2000, 50). President Hinckley emphasized that youth need the help of their parents in resisting the evil that is all about them and suggested parents teach their children in the ways of the Lord. Indeed, parents are under divine command to bring up their children in light and truth (see D&C 93:40). Quorum and group leaders can assist parents by reviewing in quorum and group meetings the following teachings suggested by President Hinckley and encouraging parents to discuss these topics with their children.• Teach them to develop good friendships. Latter-day Saint youth should choose friends who will influence them for good.
• Teach them the importance of education. Youth will be amply rewarded for their efforts to obtain an education. The Church will also be blessed by their increased capacities and skills.
• Teach them self-respect. The First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles discourage tattoos and the piercing of the body other than the minimal piercing of the ears by women for one pair of earrings.
• Teach them to stay away from drugs. Those who use illegal drugs lose self-control and will do anything to feed their habit.
• Teach them the virtue of honesty. A person who is honest enjoys a clean conscience and an unspotted reputation.
• Teach them to be virtuous. Sexual urges must be controlled with unbending self-discipline.
• Teach them to look forward to the time when they may be married in the house of the Lord. Youth should come to the marriage altar free of evil of any kind. Husbands should avoid situations and attitudes that can lead to divorce.
• Teach them to pray. It is a miracle that we can approach God for individual help and guidance.
[photo] Photo by Steve Bunderson
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